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It was disappointing that not every candidate's statement was in the Vancougar. It seems to have occured through a miscommunication between Stephanie, I, and the ASWSUV Election Board. There was a misunderstanding about the way in which our statements were to be submitted. I am not blaming anyone. My hope is that next year the process would be more formalized, with email communication directly between candidates and the vancougar. Perhaps information about statement submission to the vancougar could be included on the ASWSUV election packet as well, with specific guidelines for the statement, including a due date, word limit, and picture size.
Hopefully between the campaign brochure and the debate this Thursday all candidate's views will be heard. I hope we can all gain ideas from each other's campaigns so that whoever gets elected will be able to have a significant amount of ideas from which to draw from and enact and change policy.
Nathan Weiss
I forgot to add that Casey and Matthew also weren't in the vancougar.
I doubt too many who receive candy from a candidate are going to base their voting decision on that. Giving out candy is really just a chance to make contact with people you don't know. If a candy bar is enough to remind people of their voting responsibilities then isn't that better than not having them vote at all?
the candy is unfortunate, but it's more a statement about the status of student government.
it's kinda like the pizza, which is really the only thing student government is known for by the average student IMO
Basically, we chose to use candy as a way to catch people's attention. Putting a flyer on a table doesn't grab many people's eyes, but a piece of candy attatched, well, it helps. It may not be the most mature method, but a) We don't have a ton of money to spend on our campaign; and b) It's more interesting than just pieces of paper that say "Vote for us!". Honestly, would you vote for someone just because they gave you candy? I would hope not. If you don't like the method, don't eat the candy. But campaigning for a student government position can get expensive and time-consuming. Time and money are two things most students don't enjoy in excess!
In my opinion, Randy and Marina have a bit of an advantage with their experience working on "real" campaigns. The other tickets may have some professional experience at this...I know I don't! But that's the way it is. We each bring different things to the table. Everyone has their own advantages in this campaign.
I also think the fact that there are so many different tickets is a success in and of itself. It shows students are concerned and want to be a part of what makes WSUV tick. It also gives voters more than just a few choices. Some of the same people who have been involved in other parts of the ASWSUV are running, like Adam and Randy. But there are also those on tickets who have never worked in this student government, like Rose Gibson, Nathan Weiss and myself. It adds different (and hopefully more diverse) perspectives to the mix.
Correction: Nathan is involved in student government right now; He's currently a senator. What I was trying to get across was that he and I don't have AS much background as Randy and Adam. (Sorry, Nathan!)
and another thing, if he's a republican why is he pushing all that "diversity" crap? the last thing i want is for 10% of my student fees to go to shoving more of this affirmitive action down our throats like he's proposing. What a load of bull!!!!!!!!
The great thing about democracy is that you choose who you want to represent you. According to the last two posts, I'd say Hitler would be a good choice to represent the wishes of "anonymous", who seems to like degrading anyone who doesn't fit their ideal. Regardless of how you feel about Randy's politics, your name-calling and stereotyping isn't appreciated.
PS: I was referring to the blogger who used the word "fag" twice in their post. We can already see how ignorant you are, we don't need you to use rude labels to push the issue.
LOL...good point! But I didn't mean you.
People seem to forget that "diversity" covers alot more than race and gender. It covers politics and social class. It also covers religious beliefs, sexual orintation and people's points of view. This is why diversity is so important. Sometimes I feel like on campus we are being divided and forced onto sides. I know that it is nieve to say but why can't we all just get along? No one can help bing born and for sure they can not help what there gender is or there ethnicity. Your sexual perference is set by age 6. I think the key here is tolerance. We are all here for acedmic purposes and that is it. We want to learn and our professors want to teach. Thanks for letting me vent a little....
If you look at the campus population paramters (kudos to fellow Soc 320 and 321 students), according to the registrar, the average age of a student is 32, and the campus is 62.5 percent female.
OK, take a deep breath.
If you're going to define minorities and diversity in the case of this campus only as your population, white males are a minority, this places all but Randy far away from normal in two aspects, age and sex. This is of course not considering the possible spread of the distribution of age, which means the average may have some issues as far as being able to accurately depict it.
If you're talking in terms of campus involvement, whose fault is it that all but one of the presidential candidates are white males? The campaign meetings were completely open to everyone and there is no incumbent president. Every student is eligible to run and present their views. :)
Of course there is the problem of generalizing campus politics to politics outside of the campus,
I understand that, and I see it happening. I don't think we need to feel like WSU Vancouver politics need to be anything like United States government.
When it comes down to it, one of our main purposes, like my fellow Mr. Aziz says, is to spend money.
I am not trivializing the experiences of minorities of the general population here in the Vancouver area, I have no way of understanding what it is like to be a person of color or a woman, because I'm in the majority of the population in this geographical area. My purpose is to empower the needs of minority groups here in the Vancouver area represented on campus as much as possible. That was my primary reason for running for WSU Vancouver Senate this year.
But the fact remains that here at WSU Vancouver, in the population of the campus, white males are a minority.
My part of this issue that I would like to understand, is are we looking at the campus as a sample of the area? Or as a specific population?
I don't understanding stooping to the levels of insulting specific groups with degrading names or labels I think it's counterproductive and causes arguments to lose validity.
Thanks for reading my somewhat random thoughts. :)
Nathan Weiss
If you're wanting to really promote diversity, the best choice is Rose Gibson. As the only person of color on the ballot, we MRC members and all supporters of true diversity should definately vote for her. In addition to being a person of color, her gender and orientation also make her the perfect choice.
So Vote for Rose Gibson (and George McCoy)! :-)
I want to clear up the confusion over the statements in The VanCougar.
I informed the Chair of the Elections Board that we would be doing a spread on all of the candidates, and that we would like for them to give us a statement. I didn't set a word limit. Frankly, how much a person says, and how they say it speaks for itself.
The confusion seemed to lie between statements for pamphlets and the paper. They were two separate things, which could have been calrified. I apologize for the confusion.
One more thing. I don't like the use of the word "fag." However, I'd like to know where people see words like this in a context of free speech. This blog was originally set up to allow people to say what they wanted without fear of retribution (THUS THE ABILITY TO ANONYMOUSLY POST).
So, should hate speech be allowed in this forum? Should it be allowed in any forum? Are/should these expressions covered by the constitution?
What are the benefits/drawbacks to using a word such as "fag" for the speaker and the audience?
Sorry, but when you lump political affiliation as a criteria for diversity, you are trying to do nothin more than trivialize the plight minorities have in society. That go W. shirt can come off and you can walk the street without being heckled, but I can't change my skin color to be able to more easily function in society. A female is born with a vagina and a man with a penis, we dont get to choose outr gender in a predominately male run society. So how can anybody try to dilute the challanges non white males deal with everyday. On the other hand pushing your political leanings on others is a choice you make, and not one you have to live with and deal with if you choose not to, so don't attempt to equate it with the challanges and struggles a racial or gender minority has to deal with. Like was said before, some people don't get it and never will.
As far as people being allowed to use hate speech I offer the following:
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
As far as people being allowed to use hate speech I offer the following:
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
If you think about it, "diversity" encompasses whatever you want it to. If we use religion, ethnicity, geneology, sexual preference, language, you name it the list goes on, EVERYONE is a minority who wants to be. The whole concept of diversity implies drawing (at some mental level) racial, religious, political, social, etc. boundaries (ie he's African-American, he's Latino, he's white, she's female, he's gay, etc. etc. etc.). Is this really what MRC wants? How does segregating white males from every other demographic accompish diversity? No one is stopping this white male from expressing his right to be who he is. The same goes for every person in the world, no matter who they are or what body they were born into. It intrigues me to see the issue of diversity recur throughout this campaign. I think it has more to do with Dr. Rigo 'Spin' Balderas pushing an agenda than 'de facto' immenence of minorities at WSUV. The truth is, there are *gasp* few minorities (at least in the racial and language sense of the term) at this campus, and they are capitulating themselves to the forefront of the campaign ahead of the broad majority. They have a right to be as vocal as they are and I commend them for doing it so well, but what a way to get a representative student government out of an election? Single out a candidate who will most closely represent the interests of a small portion of the student body? Talk about special interest politics. The best candidate is one who will not be walking on eggshells to appease every last segment of the campus. That is just a very unrealistic, self-serving goal. I know what I've said probably offends people, but really--we see your efforts to be active on this campus. They are recognized in detail by the VanSocialist. How has student government failed to represent you on this campus? What has been done here to deliberately exclude any demographic? Perhaps ASWSUV should sponsor an affirmative-action bake sale. Cookies, brownies, pies you name it. One slice of cake costs $1 if you're white. Only $0.75 if you're African-American, $0.50 if you're latino. Asian-Americans can get the cake for $0.25. Women have the buy-one-get-one-free option. White males pay a fuel surcharge and Native Americans get a free cookie when they turn 18 (no sales tax either). Jews get 33% of the proceeds, as well as a special kosher basket for their selection. I think it would work wonders for diversity education on the campus.
White males are excluded from a group for once and they throw a royal fit. Maybe we need an official ruling on this; yup I consulted the minority handbook and it's in there, no white males, maybe next time.
I really don't expect the people who are so vehemently against the idea that white males aren't a minority to understand, but if you know you are going to offend people, don't you think maybe those that are getting offended aren't the ones to blame, but rather it might be time to reexamine your "tolerant" beliefs.
Minority handbook?
some people need to get over themselves and open there eyes to the real world. Very few people on campus have been treated badly (except maybe the sexual orintation crowd--where is there repersentation?) The thing is--VERY FEW CARES ABOUT YOUR ETHNICITY OR RACE OR SOCIAL STAUTUS! and if they do, you don't have to talk to them! Just grow up
Really? Take your own advice and open YOUR eyes. Many of the minorities have experienced discrimination, harrasment, and as you illustrate indifference to their challanges. Just because you might not be aware of what many minorities have faced and overcome, doesn't mean these experiences don't occur. Talk to a few minorities, venture outside your perfect little "real" world and you might see that you and your klanmates are the only ones living there. The minorites, staff and faculty included, have faced harrasment, discrimination, and abuse on this campus and in this community, so if you think no problem exists you are saddly mistaken. In addition, if you think the solution to the problem is just not to talk to them, then I expect you also think sending blacks to Africa and them there latino folks back to Mexico would solve any racial problems we encounter in our society. Maybe we should just reintroduce slavery and keep them pesky colored people quiet, right? The ignorance some people show still appals me, and frankly frightens me. There is a need for social change on this campus, and if you don't see that, then you really do need to open your eyes. I really do feel sorry for those of you that think racial and gender minorities are making a fuss about nothing, their experiences are very real, and probably affect their world more than you can ever imagine.
Again, VOTE for ROSE GIBSON! Her race, sex, and orientation will provide valuable representation to minorities on this campus! Yay!
the thing is, you just discriminated against me. You say "you and your klansmates" as a proud african american woman I do not believe that the klan would allow me to participate. I did not say that the worl is perfect but I do think that certain people like you are trying to create problems where there are none or you are trying to create mountains out of mole hills.
Hate in any form is not a molehill. There have been threatening letters sent to minorities on this campus. Some minorities on this campus have had racist remarks made to their face. Just look at this forum, the ignorance being conveyed is enough to show that there is a problem, and even if you do not feel it is important to you personally, it is an issue that must be addresed on this campus and not trivialized as being the problem of a couple of people who have quite litteraly and in no uncertain terms been told more than once that they don't belong here.
If you keep preachin the propaganda your preachin the klan just might make you an honorary member. Like I said before just because you haven't experienced discrimination doesn't mean it isn't present on this campus, I mean look at the people posting here, these aren't all my posts talking about discrimination, we have a few people speaking up here who I hope to hear more from next year.
What was the general consensus as to how the debate went?
Casey and Matthew brought some new ideas to the table, but I'm not sure how much the student body will support bringing in businesses. They also mentioned that students are only at WSU Vancouver were only interested in getting a job. I know that for a fact students are not only interested in getting a job. This is the case with me. I'm in it for personal enrichment as well.
I felt Adam and Abbi were the strongest throughout, but George and Rose also looked strong. They seem to be both at the top as far as being in agreement on their positions and policies.
Stephanie and Nathan had some interesting ideas, but they did not always seem in agreement.
I felt that Marina wasn't given enough time compared to Randy. The roles of President and Vice President are equal in pay, which should prompt the students to think about how Randy is treating Marina in this campaign. Her voice is important too, and we heard almost none of it at the debate.
Hey guys!
Thanks for coming to the debate and I'm sorry that I let Randy do most of the talking, but I'm still recovering from a ridiculously ceaseless cold that zapped a significant chunk of my energy. =[
"...which should prompt the students to think about how Randy is treating Marina in this campaign." Oh, come on now. Rest assured, Randy and I shared an equal amount of work in building our campaign.
All the best! =]
Marina Delon
George McCoy's MySpace:
http://www.myspace.com/pimpingpresident
He says in his blog that he did something that he could be arrested today for...does anybody know what that's about? George?
You know I thought that the debate was great. All of the canadaites had great things to say. I thought though that they all were saying the same tuff over and over except weiss and klein. They had an idea about parking and I liked the mentoring thing. I really liked rose and gearoge to. They seem like fun people to be around. Randy just talks to much for my taste though
I don't think any of the candidates who have ideas about parking really have a clue about parking. I've talked to the cops on the campus and they basically told me the state is the one that makes the rules for parking on our state school. Its kinda dumb but I guess it made sense. Parking can be a headache, but honestly there are greater things in life to be worried about. More pizza and candy for students is a nice idea, but really, it gets old quick and only interests a part of the student body. I think we would benefit from new ideas and activities.
I was also at the last debate. My thoughts on the candidates are mixed:
I just can't see those two business students running ASWSUV. George McCoy seems to not have a clue, and strikes me as most likely to be a president just like the one we've had for the last two years. Stephanie's "more free pizza" and "it's time for a woman president" have totally turned me off to her and Nathan. That leaves Adam Bartle and Abby Smith, along with Randy Muller and Marina Delon. Those seem to be the only two decent choices, with a slight edge going to Randy and Marina because they seem to have put a lot of thought into their specific changes.
So unless something weird happens I'm probably voting for Randy and Marina, with Adam and Abby as my second choice. The rest of them just don't cut it in my view.
While I agree that Randy and Marina have put a lot of thought into their campaign, I have to question Randy's viability as a presidential candidate. His attention is divided between running for state rep and ASWSUV president. If he's elected to state rep and has to resign his ASWSUV position, then Marina becomes President, and we haven't heard a lot from her in the debates. She hardly spoke at either one of them that I went to. Does she have her own ideas? We don't know yet. Also, who would she appoint as VP? I can think of one person who would be a likely choice: Casey Watters. Especially if he is elected to the Senate. As much trouble as there's been between the executive and Senate while he's been president, do we want him back?
I think I'm going to have to vote for George and Rose. They have a nice balance: George has worked in student government before...has that kind of knowledge, and is a hard-working student and person all-around. Rose has no agenda (as far as I can tell), is a non-traditional student in many ways and has a no-nonsense, tell it like it is attitude. I think she can and will get things done. They're my pick.
Randy has definetly thrown a lot of money at his campaign, but he hasn't really thought it out. Talk to Kiri about the fees staying here, already done, find out about the money on the ski trip he talked about he grossly exagerated it, actullay giving out false numbers. He talks out of both sides of his mouth and doesn't support what he says he will.
On the other hand, Adam and Abbie have put very little money into their campaign, but they are still strong contenders. This is based on their platform and what they have brought to the table. They both did very well at the debate, and this ticket is made up of people who are real, not some wannabe politician and his silent partner. I honestly don't see why anybody that has listened to these candidates speak or spoken with them personally would buy into Randy's lies and flip-flopping over Adam and Abbi's potential to facilitate change. The decision is obvious.
As far as Randy's first change he pledges on his website, it's already in effect. If you read Casey Watter's senator statement, the issue of S&A fees is essentially a non-issue as of now. According to him, We will get our S&A fees back next year from Pullman.
I agree with changing election bylaws and the constitution, but until you get 20% of the student body voting, the constitution stands as-is. By-law amendments are great, but you have to have a majority agreement within the Senate. Neither of those are guaranteed or easy things to get.
The printing idea is great, but Stephanie has talked to Karen Diller and the issue is essentially at a standstill. Maybe Randy and Marina are in contact with the library and I'm spouting nonsense, but it appears to me that they possibly haven't done their homework as far as implementation of their policy.
The bus idea is great, I don't have any issues with that.
I'm not railing on Randy and Marina, I respect them as candidates. I'm just trying to explain some potential logistical issues related to their first four reforms.
To be fair to Stephanie the "it's time for a woman as president" flyer was mine entirely. I emailed the registrar and placed the statistics on the flyers you see up on campus. She only approved my flyer, printed it, and put it up. If you want to call it an ideological position, you can attribute it to me. However, we both think that a woman as president would be a good step towards the empowering women on this campus.
Nathan
I don't know about that, I talked to Randy before the debate and he seemed pretty sincere. Just because he wants to run for office and improve things, should we fault him for that? And my boyfriend asked and found out about the student fee stuff, I guess it is still up to Pullman how much of our fees we get sent to our campus. They said they'll stop taking a cut, but that hasn't happened yet and they could always change their mind since there's nothing in writing.
As a single mom with a kid who is trying to go to school, I don't really care about the ski trips or rafting or paintball stuff. But many of the candidates talked about more funding for child care, which is something I do support.
If Adam Bartle has been in the senate all year, what has he accomplished? Everyone else at the debate had some good accomplishments under their belt, but I can't find a single thing that he's done for the school or the community. And then he made fun of Public Affairs people at the debate, as a BAPA major I was extremely offended at that. Oh, don't forget, his running-mate knows how to fix the senate because she's been writing about it all year! And the Vancougar is supporting the candidate from the Vancougar, what an amazing suprise.
To me it's either Randy and Marina or Stephanie and Nathan. I guess it depends on who makes the more convincing case before I vote.
(PS-I can be bribed with chocolate!!!) :-)
...and another thing, if you read his web site it says they want to spend more of OUR money on "multicultural" crap. Puh-leez, like we haven't had enough of that. I laughed when I heard that Randy screwed up and lumped three ski trips and a rafting trip as one ski trip, I heard he also made a correction and "apologized for his mistake." HA! That must have humbling for the guy who says he's trying to "make the world a better place". Here's a tip, if you really want to make our school better cut out all the "diversity" crap, and make all the SocialIST and Environmental Justice people take a bath (except for the Mexican chick in the cafeteria, she's actually pretty HOTT!)
I don't know about that Adam guy, but at least Abbi is a true conservative and will put the brakes on all this diversity crap. So vote for them!
I'm surprised someone thinks I'm a "real Republican." I don't think they know me very well; I support some Republican issues relating to business, defense, and responsibility...but I am also pro-choice and a proponent of civil rights. For everyone. Including homosexuals. If this causes me to lose your vote, "anonymous," so be it, but please don't peg someone before you understand where they fall in the political spectrum.
I am a registered voter (registered Republican, yes) but I vote for who I feel will do the BEST job and what issues I think are important to my life and the well-being of the entire community. If that makes me a "RINO," I am not offended. I appreciate that you want to vote for someone who you feel will best represent you, but I don't share your views about those you call "queer." It goes against who I am as a person, and I cannot, in good concience, take your vote. Thank you all the same.
...and ANOTHER thing, did you know Randy's old employer was the one who passed the law that allows illegal aliens to go to our school and pay in-state tuition? It was HB1079 or something, and it lets people who aren't even American get subsidized tuition like the rest of us.
I remember when it passed, they spouted off a bunch of garbage about how it was the "right thing to do" because these people have lived here for years and paid taxes even if they weren't legal US citizens. That's BULL...all they do is suck up to the welfare system and start cranking out babies that WE pay for.
And Randy Muller supports this? Somebody needs to kick this guy's ass.
To Sara,
I'm glad you came to the debate. Adam has served with distinction on the Senate. You probably haven't heard his name much around campus or in The VanCougar because he's been working and making a positive change. Unfortunately, the reality of the ASWSUV situation is that the newspaper reports on issues that we think require the students' immediate attention. Those issues are usually less positive than people working behind the scenes to improve the quality of student life at WSUV. The old saying is that when your water works, it's not news; when your water DOESN'T work, that's news. (Props to George McCoy for reminding me of this fact!)
As far as my fixing the Senate, I think Kiri Horsey, the current VP, has done all she can to make things run smoothly, considering the tight spot she's in this year. It's mostly the President and the Senate who have been at odds. With a change in leadership, the problems could fix themselves. We'll have to see. I have little to do with it, other than bringing a positive outlook to the table and keeping things going. The knowledge I gained from reporting on the Senate will mostly help me make a good transition.
Why are people so conserned about wether you are a democrate or a republican? Do these things actully matter for a college government? In case no one else noticed a mojority of Americans are not completly Republican or all democratic. Those days are over. Now its smartest to vote based on your values and beliefs, not a party. Pick who best fits your beliefs. Most of the canadites have not claimed to belong to one party or another because they want to be judged on other issues.
and i just re-read my post and I realized how horrible my spelling was. sorry....
those that know my writing style, as bad as it is, will know who wrote this:
people people please stop the insanity. I admit I am very biased, but I think things have gone too far. I don't need to name anyone, but no body deserves such misguided demonic attacks. We are lucky to have all of these wonderful people stick their necks out. That's right ALL!!! why attack them in such a fashion. Therefore, brave brothers and sisters I applauded you for throwing your hat into the ring. I am sorry for your troubles. I don't know randy or marina, and I am not a republican--conservative--but I know the criticism against them has taken a turn for the worst. Not a good thing! The same thing goes, especially so, for Abbi and Adam because they are both genuine people. Stephanie and Nathan are a pair of class act individuals, and as far as giving back and civic duty, I don't know many that work as hard as Steph. George and Rose are also real people. Business guys, I don't know you, but you were also just as impressive as the rest. I know who I am voting for--adam and abbi--but I wish everyone the best of luck.
P D
Hearing white males like Adam or Randy or George or the business boys talk about diversity is like listening to Dick Cheney talk about gun safety.
HACKED!
To the person who hacked our campaign web site and is releasing confidential information:
You have committed a felony crime. Your IP address was logged when you got onto our site, and will be tracked back to you. You are being reported to the campus police and the Clark County Sherrif's cyber-crimes detectives. Not only is hacking a criminal offense, if you did it on a school computer then you face expulsion from the university.
I will hunt you down and ensure that you are punished to the fullest extent of the law. This is not a threat, it's a promise.
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Anyone who has information concerning the unauthorized access to internal campaign information on www.randyandmarina.com is urged to contact Officer Jeannette Fischer or Lieutenant Dave Stephenson with the WSUV Police. Their department is investigating this as both a criminal offense (hacking, misdemeanor harrassment) and a student code of conduct violation.
I am personally offering a $200 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person(s) responsible. If you wish to remain anonymous that may be arranged with the WSUV Police.
Email wsuvcops@vancouver.wsu.edu or call 546-9001.
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Can you say publicity stunt?
where is this confidential information?
Why would anyone place confidential information on a website, and what would campus police have to do with it?
If something is confidential, here's a hint, the web isn't. The campaign website was mentioned at least 10 times during the debate. Does it seem like the best place to store confidential information?
This seems really fishy.
Maybe Randy is worried about competition from the other tickets?
Maybe they aren't going to roll over and play dead as possibly may have been hoped?
He probably left himself logged into a public computer somewhere, or had a really lame password. I'm not the most tech savy person, but do a whois, and it shows he paid some campaign service to build it. Follow that, and his sign in would be an email address + password. On the logon there is a checbox to remember the name/ password. It's obvious it wasn't some big hardcore hacker, just Randy or Marina's own carelessness. Either way, it still seems like he hopes it will be more of an attention getter for his campaign, and I wouldn't put it past him to have it be a publicity stunt. He has spread lies and half-truths, even spreading malicious rumors on his coworkers in the senate and misrepresenting his agenda, so he obviously lacks the integrity to not arrange this.
Dear Sara:
The Student Government Council Members have all signed a Memorandum of Agreement ensuring all campuses will have their fees returned to them. The Student and Activity Fees (S&A Fees) that are generated on the Vancouver campus will, for the first time ever, all stay on the Vancouver campus. This battle for S&A Fees has been going on since the founding of the Vancouver campus. I encourage you to seek an administrative confirmation on this information I have provided you. Nancy Youlden is the Vice Chancellor of Student Services and works intimately with the S&A Fee process. If any money is to be given to Pullman, it will be because Pullman Athletics will have come to our (Vancouver's) S&A Fee proceedings to request such funding.
Are you not a begot for purely basing your vote on race? Diversity is not just a word or skin color folks it actually lives. People can have diverse backgrounds and experiences that make them the eclectic/wise people you see today. It racist to believe the tapestry of life is all the “other colors” and then white. How is that fair? How are we showing growth and cultural elevation as a people!!! Who didn’t love the MRC member getting up and basically saying if your white and male we don’t want you in our club. I don’t think the ASWSUV should support that in anyway, it discriminatory and racist. I’m all for a club for people to get to know each other and build the networking and community, but not the boys only club, but with a new spin. Does Abbi’s military experience not make her diverse? Or the business boys, what’s his name, Chapman’s mission experience not make him diverse? Really people!!! look around talk to the candidates, they are diverse. Some have very varied backgrounds, some speak other languages fluently because they were so immersed in other cultures (Diversity!!!!!). It’s ignorant to read a book by its cover, and it’s ignorant to assume (you know what assume stands for: ass, you me) that white candidates that don’t fit your classic minority look, are not diverse or will not encourage diversity on campus. And whoever keeps posted vote for Rose…McCoy, you’re the most racist of all. When does just looking at someone and seeing their race make a good basis for an important decision?
All the other candidates are white males!!!! Rose offers use the opportunity to have a minority in office. Let’s make a stand!!! Vote Rose & McCoy
It may be that he's using the same service for his legislative campaign and his ASWSUV campaign. Not unlikely, if you ask me. If the security of his legislative campaign information has been breached, it could be a very big problem. He was right to go to the police and file a complaint.
Thanks randy good comment above!!!
Thanks for the information, Kiri. It seems like everyone was right on this: the people who are saying it's already done are kinda right, and so are Randy and Marina for saying the university administration hasn't committed to this in writing. I'm glad all the student governments at the different campuses support this, hopefully it will mean more funding for child care!
To everyone else I have this to say: SHAME ON YOU. Instead of hearing about which candidates offer the best plans for our campus, this whole web site has brought out the worst in our student body. We've got uber-liberals saying white males like Randy George and Adam are racist, uber-conservatives saying Randy is a "fag-loving tree-hugger", and it sounds like people are now breaking the law with this hacking thing! To those who are saying how easy the hacking stuff is, does that mean that if you can guess my emaill password then you have the right to read my emails? If I have a broken lock on my door should you be able to look through my house?
What do we know about the candidates stance on issues? I read Randy and Marina's ten proposed reforms, what are the rest of the candidates proposing? I remember talk of changing the parking system. What else?
The election is early next week, so I challenge everyone here to knock off the BS and start acting like adults. If you don't have anything nice to say about somebody, don't say anything at all. That's what I tell my daughter, I never thought I'd have to tell that to my classmates.
That's awesome, Sara, I'm totally down with that. Hell, maybe YOU should have ran for student government! :-)
Keeping things positive, I remember Adam and Abbi proposing "town hall"-style events/forums/whatever. I think they said monthly, but I'm not sure. I might go to one, but I wonder how many other students would. Still it's a good idea to try and get feedback from the student body.
I think it was Stephanie and Nathan that talked about getting debit cards accepted for parking. If they can lobby the administration to make that happen, it would be great.
The business guys talked about more resources for the clubs, and I guess that's a good thing. I'm not a member of any clubs so I don't really know.
And ALL the candidates talked about more resources for nontraditional and evening students. It does seem unfair that they don't get pizza or movie ticket sales like the day people do.
I won't go over Randy and Marina's 10 things, I think we've all seen those on their web site. Hell, if they can get half of that stuff done it would be great.
What about George and Rose? I'm drawing a blank here, what were their specific proposals? Anybody?
(And like Sara said, KEEP IT POSITIVE!) :-)
George and Rose were actually the ones who want to get a debit machine for the parking lots. That would be a good thing. Stephanie and Nathan only talked about getting Mon/Wed and Tues/Thurs parking permits. Personally, I think that's dumb. You can already pay your $2.00 per day and have a permit no matter what day it is. Even if you only have class twice a week, you usually end up coming here more than that, so its a wash. I think all the candidates stand a good chance still.
Randy should try to track down whoever supposedly hacked is account, but I doubt it actually happened without him having some part in it. As far as Nathans comments, those were his and although he said white males were not minorities, he didn't say that they weren't welcome to come join MRC, but it is a club for addressing minority related issues, if white males want to come and learn, they're welcome, if they want to convince MRC that white males are minoritys they'll probably get laughed out of there. As a matter of fact go ahead, go into compton, oakland, anywhere the minority population is not predominatly white and plead your case of white males being a minority, just a hunch but I don't think it will go over to well. Here white males really aren't the minority, but they still claim to be, that's just bullshit. Yes as a white male I am saying this is bullshit, white people are not minorities. Someone earlier said there aren't very many minorities on this campus, but that isn't exactly the point, why aren't there? As a matter of fact, didn't someone in history already try presenting the case that white males were becoming a minority and being threatened by non-white people, that's right I think his name was Hitler.
Also as far as the candidates proposals it isnt about what they're saying, it's how well their ideas can be accomplished by the position. Frankly I could sit in the quad and claim that I will ensure every student gets a new free car, will it happen? No. Look at who is making realistic promises, who has actually been involved. RandM have not been involved on this Campus, they have no idea what these positions entail, as a matter of fact they don't care. They have burned bridges with much of the student government and couldn't care less about much of the student body. Sure they've been involved with political campaigns off campus, but who cares this is student government and these positions are about knowing how things work on this campus and ensuring the executive staff is doing them. Now who would really want to work under Randy, he has already shown he isn't willing to work WITH others. Now who would want those that are willing to work under Randy to represent them, I know they won't represent the student body, but he and his cronies don't really care about that.
Quit being a JERK and stop bashing people, will you? This negative campaigning sucks, I am more inclined to vote for Randy and Marina now just because of all these attacks. If you don't have something positive to say about YOUR candidate don't say anything! Geez...
Man somebody needs to chill. If you are going to be calling names maybe you shouldn't say anything at all, right? Come on, you get riled up that somebody criticizes a candidate, but you don't say anything condemning the "fag" remarks or the overly racist attitudes except when they are addressed at the candidates, something just isn't right with that. Go ahead and vote anyway you want, but this forum has only shown the attitudes that are present on this campus. Stop trying to bring order to the chaos only when it is not congruent with your views. Contribute to the discussion, don't try to shut it down, because the things being discussed here are they very issues that need to be addressed on our campus. You can't just ignore them and hope they'll go away.
Hey Sara you said nothing has been put in writing, but Kiri said "The Student Government Council Members have all signed a Memorandum of Agreement ensuring all campuses will have their fees returned to them" that tells me there is something in writing. Anyway she's right this is a battle that has been going on for a long time, and I think Casey and Kiri really deserve credit for following this thorugh.
The Student Government Council is made up of students, not the administration. It's great that all the student body presidents in Vancouver, Pullman, Tri-Cities, and Spokane agree that the money should go back to the campuses. But that doesn't mean it will, it just says that they WANT it to. The administration says they will do it this year, but nothing is in writing requiring them to do so. Next year they could take twice as much money, or half as much, or none at all. From what Randy said at the debate, they want to have the student lobbyist push for a LAW requiring that the student fees stay on their campuses, which is something totally different. I know it's confusing.
They could charge double next year, they could also shut down the school or terrorists could attack our campus, but they wont. We'll see if this happens this year, but this issue is already resolved and a non-issue for now. Why should the focus continue to be on this after what like over 5 years now, the money is coming out of our pockets regardless if it is going to pullman or not.
Speaking of which how come none of the candidates haven't vowed to protect us from the terrorist threat on WSUV, isn't that important? We should impliment our own patriot act (call it the Cougar act). I mean students are preaching hate and breaking the law, we need this protection.
Anonymous's up has to be Randy, I was in the audience and didn't get all that from what he said. Plus this forum is pointless, there is about four student that probabely ever read this.
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CBS4 Investigates 'English Speaking' Sign Flap
Brian Maass
Reporting
(CBS4) DENVER Arapahoe County is threatening to fire a veteran Public Works employee for promoting the fact that he is an English speaking American.
"They claim it's offensive and I've been accused of discrimination and harassment, believe it or not, because of this," said Mike Gray, a heavy equipment operator with the Arapahoe County Road and Bridge Department for 16 years.
The problems began last spring. Gray, 50, owns a lawn service business on the side. He was routinely driving to work in his pickup truck towing a trailer that he uses to carry lawn mowing equipment for his business. On the side of his trailer, the married father of two affixed a sign that reads "Lawn Services Done With Pride!! By An English Speaking American."
The sign also gives Gray's phone number and the lettering is over a background of an American flag.
"There are a lot of people in the lawn service that are non-English speaking," Gray said. "Customers and different people were telling me that they have a hard time trying to communicate with them about the work they want done on their yards. I just want to let people know they at least can communicate with me when I do work on their property."
Gray also wore a hat to work that says "U.S. Border Patrol," which he says was a gift from his son.
Arapahoe County officials told Gray the sign and hat must go or else. In a Nov. 10, 2005, letter, his supervisor Monty Sedlak wrote the following:
"Some of your conduct ... is reprehensible and discriminatory to our non-English speaking and/or Hispanic workforce. You are in violation of ... guidelines which ensure a workplace free from harassment and sensitive to the diversity of employees."
"You are required to permanently remove your cap from the workplace. It is offensive and harassing. Your business sign, if on work premises, must be completely covered at all times. This behavior is inappropriate and any further incidents of this nature may result in further disciplinary action up to and including termination of employment."
Andrea Rasizer, spokesperson for Arapahoe County, declined to answer questions, saying the matter was a "personnel issue."
Gray said he believes his First Amendment rights are at stake, and he said he is "not about to surrender."
"I got a new supervisor," said Gray. "He's a politically correct, bleeding heart liberal. I believe in what I'm doing. I got to stand up for what I believe in and I don't think I'm doing a thing wrong. Of course I don't want to lose my job, but I can't back down from something I believe in. Like I say, they're just chipping away at our rights and freedoms."
In response to the County's firing threat, Gray stopped wearing his Border Patrol hat to work and partly covers his business sign at work so that the American flag and the words "English speaking American" are the only things still visible.
The County says that's not enough, but it's as far as Gray is willing to go.
"Why would any American do such a thing as cover up the American flag and something that says you're an American? Its beyond me that anyone could expect me to do that like my employer is."
Gray has hired attorney David Lane, who plans to file an injunction to allow the County worker to resume wearing his hat on the job and fully display his sign.
"What is of concern to me is whether the government of Arapahoe County is violating his Constitutional rights under the First Amendment," Lane said. "When the government tries to put a gag in people's mouths because they don't like the message that's being delivered, I'd do everything in my power to stop that from happening."
The idea behind the two day a week parking pass is to keep the cost down. I understand that often you end up coming more than twice a week, but this is based on my own personal experience and discussions with other students.
I had 12 credits last semester and only came twice a week. I know people that work five days a week and only come to campus twice a week. My goal is to work with Public Safety to find some kind of an option, like a pass specific to two day students. I'm not looking at it as a replacement to the day passes, more as an alternative.
To clarify, I meant an alternative to all week passes in the second paragraph.
I read most of the messages above, and they illuminated a major problem in the American political spectrum: people voting against their interests.
I will pick on one blog: the woman, a mother, who said she would not vote for adam because he made a joke about PA students. I was at the event, and I did not take that little joke seriously, and I think his comments are being taken out of context. they, adam and abbi are the real deal: a progressive ticket committed to inclusion and change.
I was also shocked to see that based on that little joke, the lady, a single mother felt randy was the best person. He is a politician, and his politics are a factor. how does throwing your hat in his ring meet your interests, if he is as right leaning as he appears? it does not, and therefore, you would be voting against your interests. only two people talked about reaching out to the student body, which would be in your benefit, as well as the rest of us. furthermore, half the things on his list are already being worked on or have been completed by the current administration. don't allow yourself to be reeled in by his empty senseless rhetoric. I am not taking a pot shot at him, but he is using the lamest examples just to elicit an emotional response, and you're falling for it. Therefore, I implore all parents, women, and others at this school to revist the issues. don't let politics fool you there is only one real choice: adam and abbi
I read most of the messages above, and they illuminated a major problem in the American political spectrum: people voting against their interests.
I will pick on one blog: the woman, a mother, who said she would not vote for adam because he made a joke about PA students. I was at the event, and I did not take that little joke seriously, and I think his comments are being taken out of context. they, adam and abbi are the real deal: a progressive ticket committed to inclusion and change.
I was also shocked to see that based on that little joke, the lady, a single mother felt randy was the best person. He is a politician, and his politics are a factor. how does throwing your hat in his ring meet your interests, if he is as right leaning as he appears? it does not, and therefore, you would be voting against your interests. only two people talked about reaching out to the student body, which would be in your benefit, as well as the rest of us. furthermore, half the things on his list are already being worked on or have been completed by the current administration. don't allow yourself to be reeled in by his empty senseless rhetoric. I am not taking a pot shot at him, but he is using the lamest examples just to elicit an emotional response, and you're falling for it. Therefore, I implore all parents, women, and others at this school to revist the issues. don't let politics fool you there is only one real choice: adam and abbi
on another note most of those talking about minority this and that here don't know what they are talking about.
It does not matter that there are more women on this campus. we live in a white patriarchal society. this university is part of that society, so just because there are a few more women here does not mean they are dominant. in order to be a dominant group, one does not need numbers, one needs power and priviledge. for instance, hotel rwanda was about the hutu and tutsi conflict. during colonial days the belgians gave the tutsi minority power and priviledge over the hutu majority. at the end of the colonial era, the hutus took over because they were the majority in number. my point is women may be in larger numbers on this campus, but they are far from the dominant group. therefore, white men are not a minority I don't care where you are in this country. of course you can complicate the issue with class arguments, but it still does not matter because even a lower class white male can clean up and benefit from more of the fruits of this society than any other group. I read a post where randy espoused a bunch of boot straps rhetoric and reasoning, which indicated he was underpriviledged in a way. I am sorry for your struggles sir, but you are not a minority. women should be offended by such talk, and you all should rally behind someone else. I like adam and abbi, but rose and george also seem like a good choice.
PD
on another note most of those talking about minority this and that here don't know what they are talking about.
It does not matter that there are more women on this campus. we live in a white patriarchal society. this university is part of that society, so just because there are a few more women here does not mean they are dominant. in order to be a dominant group, one does not need numbers, one needs power and priviledge. for instance, hotel rwanda was about the hutu and tutsi conflict. during colonial days the belgians gave the tutsi minority power and priviledge over the hutu majority. at the end of the colonial era, the hutus took over because they were the majority in number. my point is women may be in larger numbers on this campus, but they are far from the dominant group. therefore, white men are not a minority I don't care where you are in this country. of course you can complicate the issue with class arguments, but it still does not matter because even a lower class white male can clean up and benefit from more of the fruits of this society than any other group. I read a post where randy espoused a bunch of boot straps rhetoric and reasoning, which indicated he was underpriviledged in a way. I am sorry for your struggles sir, but you are not a minority. women should be offended by such talk, and you all should rally behind someone else. I like adam and abbi, but rose and george also seem like a good choice.
PD
on another note most of those talking about minority this and that here don't know what they are talking about.
It does not matter that there are more women on this campus. we live in a white patriarchal society. this university is part of that society, so just because there are a few more women here does not mean they are dominant. in order to be a dominant group, one does not need numbers, one needs power and priviledge. for instance, hotel rwanda was about the hutu and tutsi conflict. during colonial days the belgians gave the tutsi minority power and priviledge over the hutu majority. at the end of the colonial era, the hutus took over because they were the majority in number. my point is women may be in larger numbers on this campus, but they are far from the dominant group. therefore, white men are not a minority I don't care where you are in this country. of course you can complicate the issue with class arguments, but it still does not matter because even a lower class white male can clean up and benefit from more of the fruits of this society than any other group. I read a post where randy espoused a bunch of boot straps rhetoric and reasoning, which indicated he was underpriviledged in a way. I am sorry for your struggles sir, but you are not a minority. women should be offended by such talk, and you all should rally behind someone else. I like adam and abbi, but rose and george also seem like a good choice.
PD
Does electing a white male as president really accomplish those objectives? You make a long argument, then you recommend two of the white male candidates for president. Are you saying that their policies are somehow more beneficial to minorities?
Or do you just think that Stephanie is somehow not as qualified? She's shown that service is an important part of her life through her actions. That's what this campus needs, someone who is into serving the students.
Okay, why is everyone so thin skinned around here? It's funny how students can be "so offended" by the slightest things. Examples:
To the people offended by Adam's jibe against Public Affairs "Cheerleaders". It's just like calling engineers "nerds" or something, I'm sure it was not any sort of serious insult. I mean, God forbid we're the only ones actually paying attention to this lame election.
To the people offended by Randy's saying that white male Republicans are a minority at WSUV. They probably are! Stephanie and Nathan say women make up almost 2/3 of the student body, and I know most of my BAPA classes tend to lean to the left. It's not bad or good, it's just a fact of life at a public university.
To the people offended by people advocating for Rose because of her skin color, or Stephanie because of her gender. The best way to advocate for minorities is to elect them. Look at how diverse the US Congress became after the civil rights act, when blacks could finally elect people who looked like them (hey I learned something from Dr. Long). The same with gender, if you want a woman president who knows what it's like to deal with a "man's world", vote for a woman president.
Everyone just seems way too "touchy" about this stuff, I suggest taking a chill pill and RELAXING! :-)
Sara saying to chill? This coming from the person who called someone else a jerk. This forum is a discussion for those topics, if you think they are worth discussing then contribute, if not why are you here?
As far as voting for the minority to address minority issues, that's more tokenism or even exploitation, as illustrated by the "time for a women president" posters, isn't it? Addressing diversity doesn't mean just throwing a minority in the position, it means choosing someone that can best address these issues. As far as the white male comment, this totally overlooks just what the issues concerning being a minority are. I'm sorry, if you walk into a Mexican restaurant with a predominately Latino staff, does that mean you now understanding the issues of being a minority? I mean in that restaurant you are a minority, so you now know what it means to overcome the daily issues minorities face? The issue of white males being a minority is ludicrous and just attempts to overlook the actual issues that need to be addressed.
What's the matter sara, does this kind of discussion scare you? Do people actually voicing their thoughts, no matter how controversial, turn your stomach?
As far as voting for the minority to address minority issues, that's more tokenism or even exploitation, as illustrated by the "time for a women president" posters, isn't it? Addressing diversity doesn't mean just throwing a minority in the position, it means chosing someone that can best address these issues. As far as the white male commnt, this totally overlooks just what the issues concening being a minority are. I'm sorry, if you walk into a mexican resteraunt with a predominately latino staff, does that mean you now understanding the issues of being a minority? I mean in that restaraunt you are a minority, so you now know what it means to overcome the daily issues minorities face? The issue of white males being a minority is ludicriuos and just attempts to overlook the actual issues that need to be addressed.
So what's the matter sara, does this kind of discussion scare you? Do people actually voicing their thoughts, even if it is contraversial, bother you?
I'm all for you putting in your 2 cents, Sara, but I think you need the thicker skin and need to stop concerning yourself with how others are discussing things.
Tokenism? The fact is that George and Rose are the most qualified persons, AND Rose is the only person of color on the ballot at this pasty-white university! Like voting for more white people (especially a white Republican US Army Veteran like Abby) is going to advance diversity at all.
Put your money where your mouth is...women and people of color, vote for Rose and George!!!
Tokenism? The fact is that George and Rose are the most qualified persons, AND Rose is the only person of color on the ballot at this pasty-white university! Like voting for more white people (especially a white Republican US Army Veteran like Abby) is going to advance diversity at all.
Put your money where your mouth is...women and people of color, vote for Rose and George!!!
Tokenism? The fact is that George and Rose are the most qualified persons, AND Rose is the only person of color on the ballot at this pasty-white university! Like voting for more white people (especially a white Republican US Army Veteran like Abby) is going to advance diversity at all.
Put your money where your mouth is...women and people of color, vote for Rose and George!!!
Tokenism? The fact is that George and Rose are the most qualified persons, AND Rose is the only person of color on the ballot at this pasty-white university! Like voting for more white people (especially a white Republican US Army Veteran like Abby) is going to advance diversity at all.
Put your money where your mouth is...women and people of color, vote for Rose and George!!!
..ooops, sorry. Got carried away with the clicking.
I respect your opinion that they are qualified, as are all the candidates, but simply because she is the only non-white candidate does not mean she would best represent the minorities. From the little I heard from Rose I can't determine that she would be the best suited, although some, including Abbi, at least have expressed awareness of the issues concerning diversity on this campus. Some candidates have just shown their ignorance, some have shown their indifference, and some have even shown their willingness to spout the rhetoric despite their actions, but as a minority, if you are one, saying that the choice to represent minorities should be determined purely by skin color is as narrow minded and unproductive as many of the views that have already been expressed.
As mentioned several times...diversity is more than skin color. How does anyone know what Abbi's military experience has done for her world view? Does it make a person some kind of right-wing nutcase, just because they served in the Army? Likewise, does it make someone a left-wing, big government socialist simply because they went to a liberal arts college like WSUV? Has anyone bothered to ask each candidate what their life experiences have done for them? Not that I've observed. It's not right to judge people based on what YOU think of them without attempting to gain a true perpective on what's in their hearts.
Besides, people...this is a student government election!! Take it easy, it's not that big of a deal. All of the folks running are people who at least care enough about what's going on at WSUV to want to make some changes. I respect them for that. And if you think their skin color is enough to pin them down to one perspective or another...then you haven't learned anything about diversity yet. What about diversity in backgrounds, religion, orientation, education, experience? We forget these intangible things so easily when we begin to view people from what's on the outside. Being critical of people's appearance doesn't get you anywhere. Being critical of their politics and beliefs, and whether they'll put their money where their mouth is...well, now you have a start.
I support abbi because I have had those conversations with her. For some weird reason I forgot she was even a republican. I know she told me last semester some time, but I forgot. What does that tell me about her. the same thing that I have learned over the last year knowing her. She is a very intellectual self relfective individual. she is now a staunch ideologue. I know this because I know her.
I have met rose and george, two very cool people, but I have not had a year of getting to know them. that is why I am behind abbi. I don't hate anyone, but I know her.
one question to the person of color who wanted to vote for rose primarily because she is a woman of color. does this mean I should vote for condolezza rice if she runs for president? I am not saying that about rose. I am not saying rose is anything negative, but I am saying that type of reasoning is weak. nonetheless, If I knew rose as well as I know abbi maybe I would have a trouble making a decision.
hey "crash" just won best motion picture. maybe we need to screen it after all.
Staunch ideologue?
Abbi is the farthest person I have ever seen from that. She is one of the most open minded people I have ever seen. YOu must be talking about a different Abbi. :)
Nathan Weiss
whoops spelling error I meant "not" thanks for pointing that out sorry abbi one misspelled word can screw up the whole message. :)
If Randy tries to put those "reward" posters up during the election, I hope someone reports it as campaign material.
What reward posters? I just hope the university catches the person who did it.
I doubt he's that stupid
Hey everyone- George and I took time off this morning to take a look at all the exciting commnetary on the blog, and we are intrigued. Mostly we are happy to see all the enthusiasim,even if some of you have become a little angry in the process. Let us remember that the purpose of all of us running for office , hopefuly, is for an opportunity to serve our fellow students.We hope that after this campaign, the negativity subsides and who ever wins is able to just "get back to basics", and serve the students.
PD = Potentatus Dominion, aka Ali Abdul-Aziz
yeah that does sound like him! he is such a crack pot
Don't forget to vote on Tuesday and Wednesday, March 7&8 from 9am to 7:30pm. It's all online, so you can vote from any computer that has computer access.
For all you ignorami out there, the definition of minority is as follows:
The smaller in number of two groups forming a whole.
Sometimes I feel like our campus is overrun by white males...no.
The definition of diversity is as follows:
The fact or quality of being diverse; difference.
Difference (diversity) is not an exclusive term; it does not only refer to African Americans, Latinos, Women, and Lesbians.
Perhaps I will feel the need to check back on this blog when I feel sure that all you idiots, (or if you prefer: ass, blockhead, boob, booby, cretin, dimwit, donkey, dork, dumb ox, dumbbell, dunce, dunderhead, fool, halfwit, ignoramus, imbecile, jackass, jerk, kook, meathead, mental defective, moron, nincompoop, ninny, nitwit, pinhead, pointy head, simpleton, stupid, tomfool, twit, yo-yo) have desisted with writing your mindless moronic rhetoric.
Ok, so you know how to use a dictionary and a thesaurus, congratulations. Now maybe when you come back you might have something insightful and intelligent to say. Until then take care, we won't miss you.
Obviously you are also a boob. By the way, I qualify as a minority any way you slice it. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. :)
I like boobs :)
I like that there has been so much action on the blog, even if some of it is a touch ridiculous.
Seriously though, how many of you voted, and, perhaps more importantly, did this blog help you make your decision?
I voted first thing Tuesday morning. Randy's hostility towards others was a big reason I voted for Adam and Abbi. Didn't make any difference as far as my Senate votes went.
This blog was just more interesting than insightful. I voted today for stephanie and nathan.
George and Rose won the race, and I'm glad for them. If I were Randy Mueller I'd be pissed right now.
The people have spoke!
Congratulations to George and Rose, I'm sure they will do a great job in representing the student body!
-Marina
Randy's low vote count surprises me.
McCoy/Gibson 107
Chapman/Crouse 58
Bartle/Smith 41
Mueller/Delon 41
Klein/Weiss 24
Mueller was the only senate candidate that didn't get elected...
Yes, congratulations to George and Rose! They earned it.
And no, I'm not at all pissed. I ran for senate because the elections board urged ALL presidential and vice-presidential candidates to do so, otherwise there would have been less senatorial candidates than there were senate vacancies. This way we start the year with a full senate.
Again, I offer my best wishes to George and Rose. And I would really like to thank Marina Delon, the best running-mate a person could ever have!
Yaaay for George and Rose! And thanks to all the candidates for their hard work and the friendly competition. I'm proud of all of us. And especially to my running mate Adam: You're the man!
My extended salutation to Mr. McCoy and Rose.
Randy, you didn't have a chance, Ha! Your partner, Snowhite, needs to find the lost 6 dwarfs, and save the trees.
By the way, have some courage to broadcast your concerns. You have some of the most radical minority students, that will blew you away,too quick! Have balls to confront issues of race, class, and political views.
Peace out!
Afrika....
What's "Snow White" supposed to imply? That she's white? That's pretty ignorant, if you ask me. You have no idea what her ethnicity is. So much for tolerance and diversity!
Congrats to George and Rose on their landslide victory!
In reading this blog, it seems that the most intolerant group on campus is the group that is traditionally defined as "minority". Maybe this group needs to take some diversity training!
Right back at you.
After going through the comments of this blog I'm embarrassed to say I go to WSUV. Minorities are an underrepresented group in this country, in this region, and on this campus. It is a sad thing that this seems to be overlooked in the interest of keeping this campus and the individuals within it content with being "diverse". The definition of a minority can be tweaked and perverted in what ever manner some may wish, but as long as we refuse to admit that yes, we enjoy advantages as whites, things will never change. Maybe some people want it that way. White males have traditionally been the standard by which all others in this country are judged, so as that begins to change are we just trying to keep our privileged place in society? We are loosing our "good ole boy" club, and it scares us. This dialogue is the perfect example, we are going to do whatever we can to keep our place in society, and that means gathering pity, being the victim, and blaming others. Minorities aren't to blame, and short of following in the footsteps of the Nazi's, we can't stop the way society is headed, because it is a good place for everyone not just whites, however, as I've seen through this board, some have gotten a little to spoiled and are not going to accept that others have a right to fully participate in a traditionally white male dominated society, without kicking and screaming on the way out. So, to all the minorities that have spoken up, good for you, your place in society is well deserved, to those complaining without proving their worth, only relying on their self perceived entitlement, wake up, the world is changing and with it so will our little school.
Read Cornel West's writing:
“A fully functional multiracial society cannot be achieved without a sense of history and open, honest dialogue.”
Cornel West
I don't hear anyone kicking and screaming. I don't know how people who cannot even spell correctly can belittle others for asking people to be responsible for themselves and not blame their lives on the actions of others. The wounds are deep, the pain is there, but nothing will ever change until we learn to live together as humans, and quit being so damn hung up on color. Ours or that of others.
I hear no open dialogue, I hear people placing blame. And honesty is politically incorrect on our campus...
That is the truth.
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